Except that currently 80% of systems are worthless crap that no one uses.

Because if/when they become worth using they can only support 10 at a time. We have tens of thousands of pilots.

Noticed that did you?

Baltec gives us the simplest explanation of why this works. Doing logistics positively sucks. If the null blocs can realistically shrink their footprints they will. Does anyone really think playing "ship fuel blocks online" is any fun?

Shrinking is hard when a system can't support a large # of people in a realistic faction. By realistic I mean, as good as running Incursions in hi sec because we're in null and we're supposed to get reward for the risk. The risk will be increased if the local list is so long you can't easily tell if neuts come in system.

Renter income is greater than moon income for the CFC by a huge margin.

It wouldn't be ours to give. We don't live there; the renters live there.

I think you should read up on who owns Northern Associates, Brothers of Tangra, and Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere (PBLRD). Then you will understand who owns the SOV.

The whole idea is to make it so an entity like the CFC DOESN'T have to protect a dozen regions and others can start moving in again.

Anom incom caps out at 90 mil/hr per person.

Geuss what happens if CFC stops holding all of its space under current mechanics. You think suddenly it will be the garden of eden for everyone who wants to be null? No. The remaining big guns in null will stomp through and take everything they want. You would just trade one overlord for another. CFC and other large groups need to have this space in order to maintain an edge against players their size. Since anoms are terrible for normal player income, you have rely on alliance SRP, fuel programs, etc. Income is a top down system that requires extreme dependence on the alliance or coalition in order to be competitive. And since it is the most effective method currently, you can damn sure expect someone to use it, and if someone else uses it to their advantage, you can also be sure even more will as well since this is a competitive game.

Go ahead and try to tell everyone in eve to refrain from trying to gain an advantage over their opponents. Lets see how well that works. In fact I hear James315 is running a similar operation in highsec. Maybe get some tips on success from him.

It is not the renters SOV...it is PL's, CFC's, and NCDOT's SOV.

Our SOV, but the renters live there.

Maintaining it as it is would be easy even if the proposal was implemented. Just continue to own and control the alliances holding the SOV. Anyone not willing to be part of the SOV holding alliance will get dunked by the mother alliance/coalition if they try to gain a foothold. So on that part we probably agree (even though we most likely disagree on the details).

I too rat for 24 hours a day instead of actually doing fun things, or eating, or sleeping. Get out

The temptation/risk of locking someone out on a whim for the pure 'lol factor' would be too high when they've moved billions of assets into a "FFA Station"

Sorry but this is disingenuous. What the blue donut wants is more space for renters.

Why? Why should the rewards in highsec be so great comparative to 0.0?

This is kind of off here. What people are saying is that isk should be changed to be from the bottom up, not the top down. No one is asking for null to have it's cake (like moon income) and eat it too (buff individual level isk making).

Rental empires will become impossible to do with this change. Also, moon goo generates around the same per month as a single ice miner. If you do not shift from anoms to something that will allow an infinite group of people to live in a system then not a single alliance will be able to support their members with their space.

Seriously, this is something like the tenth time you have had this explained to you and you still continue with this fabrication.

Individual player income is more important than alliance level income & currently that player level income is less than what is available in highsec.

Also no, under the proposed change there will be more people roaming around nullsec looking for kills than ever.

I'm 100% sure that we give zero fucks about people looking to kill ratters in renter space.

I'm not the person to ask. Why don't you shoot a mail off the mynnna & ask? He's pretty friendly & likes meeting new people.

With a change to occupancy sov no we wont. We replace rental empire income with taxing our own members running missions in our own space. Thats the whole point of having a bottom up income stream for allainces, it is much better for the line members and gives them a reason to want to live in the empire the fight to build and protect.

And would force empire to require hundreds to thousands of systems.

That's exactly what we have now. So yea, its a very bad thing because that is what everyone wants to not happen.


We have something like 30k pilots in the CFC, with only 10% ratting at a time we would need 3000 systems under your plan to house them all. That leaves just 524 systems in null for everyone else out here.

Under your plan it would be zero. All of that space would be needed for us alone and it most likely would not be enough.

No I am telling you what would have to happen. You cannot shrink our empire and not deal with over population and the fact that the space simply cannot support even a fraction of our members.